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22nd-Jul-2007 02:19 am
inquisatorial squad!!
... Am I the only one that is very, very disappointed in the characterization of the Slytherins in general?

Point the first: DRACO. This one was the most troubling to me, since I've rather fallen in love with him. I know he's not perfect, but I did NOT expect him to go all 'omg it is totally fine with me if Potter survives, even though he has beaten me at everything except maybe grades, nearly killed me, and then STOLE MY WAND!!!11' This from the boy whose favourite pastime for five books has been tormenting Harry for far less? I mean, COME ON, even CRABBE AND GOYLE looked more powerful than him in this book! (My friend, who liked DH *gasp!* tried to explain this away by saying his pride got squashed out of him under Voldie's rule. But I personally think it's more likely that Draco's pride would turn into bitterness and resentment at the devastating blow to his family's name and blame the entire war on Harry, making him even more vengeful, especially seeing as he's blamed everything on Harry since the beginning of TIME.)

Point the second: Snaaaaape. Snape made me cry. OMGWTF HE IS SO GAY FOR LUPIN and/or LUCIUS Erm. I mean, I'm really complaining about how JKR absolutely rocketed through his story, and right in the battle. And his death being terribly anti-climactic. Not the pairing. Not at all.

Point the third: every single Slytherin stood behind Pansy, and everyone else was helping Harry. DFHJKDFHJKDSFHJF I thought this series was supposed to be good at SHADES OF GREY. (Oh, right, only her favourite characters get to be ambiguous. *coALBUSDUMBLEDOREugh*)

Point the fourth: HARRY IS ALIVE. WHAT THE HELL. That part was not explained nearly well enough. How can the Killing Curse kill only a part of you? *already forming theories that he was kept alive for Draco's Great Revenge*

I would have been much happier if she had ended the book right after Harry died. Or maybe send him up to that weird place with Dumbledore, but in the name of MERLIN'S FRILLY KNICKERS DO NOT BRING HIM BACK.

*waits to be bashed over the head with tomatoes for this rather unorthodox opinion*

EDIT: Oh, right, and Voldie can fly. *brain goes kersplodey*

EDIT THE SECOND: as for my opinion on the epilogue, I think furiosity said it best: '... the epilogue gave me no closure; it was focussed so completely on "omg look how prolifically they've procreated, and what stupid names they've thought up for their kids!11" that I could not identify with Harry; it felt like reading about a total stranger.'

EDIT THE THIRD: (I should really just give up and write a whole bloody essay >.>) Did anyone else find the idea of Nagini fitting convincingly inside a dead human body rather... hard to believe? (Not to mention gross, but it's kind of a cool idea...)
22nd-Jul-2007 09:01 am (UTC)
I actually agree with you.
After HBP, I was expecting for Draco to have a much more significant role besides the one he was given. Sure he had the elder wand or some other crap that I don't understand and won't bother to really learn about, but besides that he did absolutely nothing besides be terrified of everyone he encountered. He became a big bitch! And then in the epilogue, we really learned nothing about him. In the entire book, we learned NOTHING about him besides the fact that his family owns peacocks!
And Snape . . . they made him out to be a giant bitch, too! His death was the worst in the book, completely unbefitting of such a badass, and then his memories come floating out of him and that was really random. And then Harry zooms through the memories and is like oh my bad, and then goes right onto the next thing. There was no sort of resolution there and so when I got to the epilogue I was once more confused.
And I hated the final battle! That just proved that Jo contradicts herself. Did the Sorting Hat not say that the houses had to band together? I didn't see that! It made me sad that not one Slytherin remained, but that might just be because they are smart enough to not stay in a building where the Dark Lord is planning to battle. I must admit that if I were there, I'd probably vacate too.
I dunno. I was expecting some sort of unity within the houses and this book just kind of enforced the stereotypes of the Slytherin.
22nd-Jul-2007 09:10 am (UTC)
They did say something about Slytherin having proved itself near the end, I think... not that that was explained, either, except that Slughorn stayed behind. THANK YOU, MR. WALRUS MAN, FOR DEFYING STEREOTYPES.

FDHDFFDH I was afraid Draco would die, to be honest. But I think he's suffered a fate worse than physical death -- death of proper characterization. Lupin suffered rather horribly from this fate, as well.

While we're on the subject, Voldemort went rather conveniently wimpy too, for such a strong beginning. So a man that can infiltrate the Ministry and come up with (albeit obviously fake) reasons for chasing Harry that can make the wizarding world uncertain about him lost a part of his soul simply because he thought he was the only one who could get into the Room of Requirement??!! DID HE NOT NOTICE THAT DRACO WAS USING IT?

Then there's also the part about Ginny becoming conveniently cooler when Harry needed a love interest, and conveniently shy again when she needed to be shoved aside. But that's something else entirely.
22nd-Jul-2007 10:41 am (UTC)
I think the main thing that had me wondering wtf JKR was smoking whilst writing this was Snape's death. I remember squawking at my friend about a frickin snake! for a good hour or so. Though the thing with Draco was also noticeable.

The ending reads like a bad fanfic where everyone has to be married with kids and oh so happy ladeda. Do people not go for the single/gay/living in sin lifestyle anymore? Nice touch with the orphan also. *Gags*
22nd-Jul-2007 07:14 pm (UTC)
I made it up until the point when Voldie started flying (which, I believe, was the second chapter) and then started going 'WTF??!!' at a lot of things >.>

I felt like everything from there on read like bad fanfic, but maybe that's just me. If I was a runespoor, I'd be the critic.
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22nd-Jul-2007 07:20 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that was absolutely ridiculous. I have to admit I was hoping for him to die, because that would be less cliche and actually make sense (while Harry was contemplating his own death, I was crowing 'he's going to die! hurrah!' because I'm evil like that).

I wouldn't mind the next gen mirroring the old if the old wasn't so bloody depressing. Everything after Harry died was just so half-arsed (except for Neville and Luna, dsfkjfdshsdfh I loved them, they are made of awesome) and the epilogue was absolutely fucking ridiculous.
22nd-Jul-2007 03:18 pm (UTC)
I was SO disappointed about the Slytherins. When she wrote Slughorn, a good slytherin, who had Lily as one of his favorite students even though she was a muggleborn, i thought that maybe slytherin would be redeemed a little. BUT THE WHOLE HOUSE LEFT?! I thought that some would stay behind. They can't all have Death Eater parents. Ugh I actually was agreeing with voldemort when he planned on destroying the hat and destroying the house system.

and OMG DRACO! I was so excited in the beginning, because we kept seeing snippets of a really scared Draco, and of Harry being sympathetic towards him.
Malfoy’s gaunt, petrified face seemed burned on the inside of his eyes. Harry felt sickened by what he had seen, by the use to which Draco was now being put by Voldemort. ch. 9

I was waiting for Harry to save Draco, or when he was captured and brought to Malfoy Manor, for them to bring Draco with them. I mean really, Draco tried to save their asses when he wouldn't identify harry. I am very very disappointed by her take on all the Slytherins. Even Snape. She killed him off rather than make have Harry learn to respect and appreciated a man who was (and would continue to be imo) unpleasant. so she made him a martyr and easy for harry to like in hindsight.
22nd-Jul-2007 07:11 pm (UTC)
Well. In hindsight, I realized that Draco, Crabbe, and Goyle stayed behind - but to be evil. I wouldn't have minded that so much (I'm a big fan of evil!Draco, after all, that's who he's supposed to be, right?) except he was a little lily-livered pussy who had to be saved by Harry and Ron - though granted, the second time was because they had his wand. Again. She didn't even give him any snark!!! *goes on random keysmashing tangents*
22nd-Jul-2007 04:24 pm (UTC)
Point the first, I agree, but I guess he didn’t have much time to be an ass in this book and once the war was won the Malfoys appear to be too smart to intentionally antagonize others. They do have a precarious position and being asshats could make it even less stable.

Point the second, well I am upset with the pairing. I liked it when it was crack but the way it is in canon made me sad. It was so very, very cliché and (I thought) made Snape almost two dimensional. Really, what was a pretty complex character got compressed into “I may be a jerk but everything I do I do for love” which, I have to say, pissed me off.

Point the third, oh yeah this was the “actually Slytherin is the house of evil, all that stuff about house unity is void if you’re in the house of the snake” I thought Slytherin was more about ambition and using any means to reach your goals. I’d like to imagine that a few people from such a house would imagine that Harry had a fighting chance and join themselves with the school accordingly,

I can kind of see what Rowling was going with for point the fourth.

As for edit the third, oh hell yes! How does one not notice that the old lady is actually a giant snake?
22nd-Jul-2007 07:26 pm (UTC)
He was given a few chances to be an arse -- and yes, I can see why he wouldn't identify Harry if he hates Voldemort, which is perfectly logical at this point -- but the scene in the RoR drove me absolutely insane. He not only didn't have snark, he didn't seem to have any intelligence befitting his name/education/status at all (obviously he was capable of torturing people for Voldemort, but when faced with Harry he just... withers?).

I'm upset about the pairing, too. It basically destroyed everything I liked about Snape, I had a lot of respect for him when I thought he'd actually managed to fool Dumbledore (and possibly Voldemort, too).

Yes. Even if their parents were Death Eaters. Just because Draco followed in his parent's footsteps doesn't mean they all would!

Please explain, I am very confused.

She must have hid all the bulges very well under her shawl. And, you know, the hole that the snake used to get in (although I suppose Voldie could've closed that with magic). *contemplates Bathilda/Nagini crack!fic*
22nd-Jul-2007 04:28 pm (UTC)
I thought this series was supposed to be good at SHADES OF GREY.

Seriously-- this was my big real complaint about the book. I was really hoping for the whole 'Houses band together to save Hogwarts' type of thing, but JKR just proved how much she really hated the Slytherins with this book. ALL THE FORSHADOWING GUH. The Sorting Hat's song, Draco's big part in HBP-- all to waste! DDDX
22nd-Jul-2007 07:28 pm (UTC)
I KNOW, it was a horrid waste of paper to put all that in. It didn't even end up mattering. And the odd part was, she made Harry sympathetic to the Slytherins ANYWAY. WTF, JKR.
22nd-Jul-2007 08:45 pm (UTC)
Okay, you goaded me into it. The whole book was ant-climactic and wrong. Apparently, even after years of wandering around, Voldie's too much of an idiot to actually look up ancient magics.

I mean how many fans saw the Harrycrux thing coming? And I mean, he knew, he saw into his head...

And balding!Draco and Scorpius is just wrong. There's no reason for that--even the constellation is called Scorpio. I mean come on.

And I mean, I always knew C&G weren't geniuses, but they managed to stay in School, but the SPESHUL FIRE? Hello Black Plot Hole Of Death, How are you?

Also, I refuse to think that there wasn't a single Ravenclaw who thought or sided with the DEs. I mean, suddenly having DADA with the Carrows had to be more Dark Arts then anything...I say Morag transferred to Slytherin OROROR....sat on the roof watching the slaughter until she figgured out who would win.
22nd-Jul-2007 08:51 pm (UTC)
Harrycrux was so obvious. I think it was armaitee that pointed it out to me at first, and I was just like... yeah, he totally IS.

*cries for the Malfoys* The only one I actually liked of the DH-Malfoys was Narcissa. Apparently JKR likes mothers enough to properly characterize them, and doesn't bother with their evil spawn wussy children. *wonders what this says about JKR's children*

I will not tell lies write C/D/G! Ever! Even though it sounds cracktastic, and CLEARLY they are worthy companions to an oh-so-very-smart Draco, after all!

*snugs your Morag* of course she did! :DD
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22nd-Jul-2007 11:36 pm (UTC)
I can see what you’re saying about Draco. I did actually expect to see more of him, I mean there was buildup about him and then... he’s just there doing nothing notable. I felt the RoR scene was more about Crabbe than him. He did act quite unlike we've come to expect, but as I thought that of most characters it didn't really stand out to me.

I don’t really approve of Rowling’s whole resurrection stunt. Especially since she’s been hardcore about the whole dead means dead thing with other characters. I think she thought she needed it though.

however, when I reread it it makes even less sense than it did the first time around. I was rationalizing about Harry having the stone on him at the time he died and having the horcrux protect him, but really none of that is mentioned, he’s just like “I’ve got to go back” and does without explanation. Hmph.

I thought Rowling was trying to once again show how selfless and awesome!hero Harry was. Also there was closure with Dumbledore, which was important. It did show a bit more about protection magic because Harry’s death for the people fighting Voldemort did the same thing for them as his mother’s death did for him. Which I would have understood more if Rowling had actually made that important but she just made a reference to it.

Huh, now Harry’s death annoys me too.

I don’t know, I was glad for the talk with Dumbledore, but you’re right. Sense was not made. I can see how she was trying to make the book more dramatic, and to be fair I was pretty shocked when she killed him, I thought for a while that Voldemort was going to somehow mark Neville as an equal and then we’d get a moral about not disregarding people or how you can be mistaken about who the chosen one is or whatever, but really what she did was far too cliché.

22nd-Jul-2007 11:38 pm (UTC)
...and that was supposed to be posted in response to something... I fail at the internet.
27th-Jul-2007 03:22 pm (UTC)
Agree with most of what you write, but I'm not in agreement about Malfoy. I think the cahnge in his character is entirely understandable.

Here's a boy, too young to remember the last time the Dark Lord was around, who's been brought up surrounded by Death Eaters to think that if only the Dark Lord had triumohed the world would be a a better place, everything would be so much better, we'd be more powerful and rich and so on.

The Dark Lord is reborn and Malfoy is thrilled. He's all 'ooooh I wanna be a Death eater it'd be Teh Best Thing EVUH!!!' He hasn't really thought it through though, and once he sees the reality of being a Death Eater he realises it isn't a bed of roses where you go about being powerful and scary and superior. Instead it means serving a cruel master who doesn't care in the least what happens to you and who, if given diffreent ways of doing something, would probably prefer the way that made you suffer more.

First of all there's the year-long torment of 'Repair the cabinat or else'. Then he fails to kill Dumbledore. I don't imagine when he next faced the Dark Lord he would get tea and sympathy. I think he's already starting to have doubts and be privately thinking of changing sides. He's also pretty broken inside by everything he's been through, and no longer does things like bullying just for fun.

I also think that the the roles of Malfoy, Crabbe and Goyle have been reversed during the year. Now Crabbe and Goyle are the favoured ones, the powerful ones, who get to practice Crusiatus on students in deterntion. Malfoy's the one from the family the Dark Lord is really pissed off with right now. I suspect he's just tagging on behind them.

Actually I kind of like it. It makes me feel all 'Aawww, poor Malfoy, his life is ruined and he's so damaged by it*hugs him* '
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